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Aussies confused by science fact or fiction: survey
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Apologies Lies & Pretence
2013-07-22 21:19:24 UTC
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The Australian Academy of Science surveyed more than 1,500 people, asking them basic scientific questions.
It found nearly 30 per cent did not know if humans lived at the same time as dinosaurs, and that 41 per cent did not know
how
long
it took the Earth to travel around the sun.
http://tinyurl.com/p7x2y3a
Must be Coalition supporters.
Those clowns and their leader also don't believe in climate change and don't think the NBN is necessary.
Abbott also has the delusion that CO2 is weightless!!! That made him a laughing stock around the world.
You are one of those base-level (basal level?) ALP supporters who had it *proved* to him and you still doggedly stick to the
belief - like a religious nut or a Nazi. It doesn't get dumber than that.
ROTFLMFHO!!!!
The only thing you *proved* was that you have no understanding of science.
Your confused rants were complete and utter bullshit, as everyone who read them can clearly see.
Ever wonder why you and Abbott are the only two in the entire world who believe CO2 is weightless????
You've been Godwinned you moron.
Nobody agrees with you, you stupid fuckwit.
Go back to sucking Abbott's cock.
Nice case of projection. When did you start having fantasies about Abbott? Does he know?
You lost.
Lost?
Reading comprehension problem ?
You lost i.e. you are a loser.
You were presented with proof of CO2's weightlessness and shown exactly how Abbott was correct in context.
Proof???
You have no concept of science, and you haven't proved anything except your own ignorance.
Presumably you meant to say: "...you haven't *proven* anything.

You don't do grammar either.
And it transpires that you understood none of it.
Nobody understood it because it doesn't make sense - you talk rubbish.
Your response is consistent with stupidity or ignorance. Ignorance can
be reversed if there is some brain activity but not when it is blocked
by a closed mind. In the case of the application of the gas law to CO2,
it is not a matter of opinion but simple fact, so I'm afraid that the
prognosis for you is not good.
You don't understand what weightlessness is, you don't understand how gases mix
and you completely fail to understand that gravity is necessary to explain how
gases behave in the Earth's atmosphere.
Are you mentally ill or just stupid?
Funny that out of the entire world just you and Abbott think CO2 is weightless.
Nobody else believes that crap. Nobody.
That makes the pair of you the ignorant fucking idiots.
QED
Tony Abbott, me and the ideal gas law.

PS: It's not a matter of opinion, you fuckwit
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Dechucka
2013-07-22 21:35:14 UTC
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And it transpires that you understood none of it.
Nobody understood it because it doesn't make sense - you talk rubbish.
Your response is consistent with stupidity or ignorance. Ignorance can be
reversed if there is some brain activity but not when it is blocked by a
closed mind. In the case of the application of the gas law to CO2, it is
not a matter of opinion but simple fact, so I'm afraid that the prognosis
for you is not good.
Gas law ( whatever that is) has got nothing to do with the fact that
anything with mass, like CO2, has weight in a gravitational field has
weight. That is why the gases in the atmoshere give us airpressue
You don't understand what weightlessness is, you don't understand how gases mix
and you completely fail to understand that gravity is necessary to explain how
gases behave in the Earth's atmosphere.
Are you mentally ill or just stupid?
Funny that out of the entire world just you and Abbott think CO2 is weightless.
Nobody else believes that crap. Nobody.
That makes the pair of you the ignorant fucking idiots.
QED
Tony Abbott, me and the ideal gas law.
please explain how PV=nRTshows CO2 is weightless. At the same time please
explain how we get air pressure. Then go for how a 1kg block of CO2 can
suddenly lose it's weight when it sublimates
PS: It's not a matter of opinion, you fuckwit
it isn't and you are wrong
yaputya
2013-07-22 21:51:24 UTC
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You have no concept of science, and you haven't proved anything except your own ignorance.
Presumably you meant to say: "...you haven't *proven* anything.
You don't do grammar either.
You have shot your mouth off once again, and you are wrong again.
From the New Oxford American Dictionary:
For complex historical reasons, prove developed two past participles: proved and proven. Both are correct and can be used more or
less interchangeably: this hasn't been proved yet; this hasn't been proven yet. Proven is the more common form when used as an
adjective before the noun it modifies: a proven talent (not a proved talent). Otherwise, the choice between proved and proven is not
a matter of correctness, but usually of sound and rhythm-and often, consequently, a matter of familiarity, as in the legal idiom
innocent until proven guilty.

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1608/what-is-the-difference-between-proven-and-proved
Apologies Lies & Pretence
2013-07-22 21:53:24 UTC
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Post by Apologies Lies & Pretence
You have no concept of science, and you haven't proved anything except your own ignorance.
Presumably you meant to say: "...you haven't *proven* anything.
You don't do grammar either.
You have shot your mouth off once again, and you are wrong again.
For complex historical reasons, prove developed two past participles: proved and proven. Both are correct and can be used more or
less interchangeably: this hasn't been proved yet; this hasn't been proven yet. Proven is the more common form when used as an
adjective before the noun it modifies: a proven talent (not a proved talent). Otherwise, the choice between proved and proven is not
a matter of correctness, but usually of sound and rhythm-and often, consequently, a matter of familiarity, as in the legal idiom
innocent until proven guilty.
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1608/what-is-the-difference-between-proven-and-proved
You have just proved that you are a proven arsehole.
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Dechucka
2013-07-22 22:09:10 UTC
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Post by yaputya
Post by Apologies Lies & Pretence
You have no concept of science, and you haven't proved anything except
your own ignorance.
Presumably you meant to say: "...you haven't *proven* anything.
You don't do grammar either.
You have shot your mouth off once again, and you are wrong again.
proved and proven. Both are correct and can be used more or
less interchangeably: this hasn't been proved yet; this hasn't been
proven yet. Proven is the more common form when used as an
adjective before the noun it modifies: a proven talent (not a proved
talent). Otherwise, the choice between proved and proven is not
a matter of correctness, but usually of sound and rhythm-and often,
consequently, a matter of familiarity, as in the legal idiom
innocent until proven guilty.
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1608/what-is-the-difference-between-proven-and-proved
You have just proved that you are a proven arsehole.
better then being so ignorant that you think CO2 is weightless. Maybe you
believe Turnball practically invented the internet in Aus :-)
yaputya
2013-07-23 20:19:28 UTC
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Post by yaputya
Post by Apologies Lies & Pretence
You have no concept of science, and you haven't proved anything except your own ignorance.
Presumably you meant to say: "...you haven't *proven* anything.
You don't do grammar either.
You have shot your mouth off once again, and you are wrong again.
For complex historical reasons, prove developed two past participles: proved and proven. Both are correct and can be used more
or
less interchangeably: this hasn't been proved yet; this hasn't been proven yet. Proven is the more common form when used as an
adjective before the noun it modifies: a proven talent (not a proved talent). Otherwise, the choice between proved and proven is
not
a matter of correctness, but usually of sound and rhythm-and often, consequently, a matter of familiarity, as in the legal idiom
innocent until proven guilty.
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1608/what-is-the-difference-between-proven-and-proved
You have just proved that you are a proven arsehole.
You are looking pretty stupid after that pathetic remark that only showed up YOUR ignorance of the English language.
Grammar or science, you shoot of your mouth but you really haven't got a clue.
Apologies Lies & Pretence
2013-07-23 20:47:34 UTC
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Post by yaputya
Post by Apologies Lies & Pretence
Post by yaputya
Post by Apologies Lies & Pretence
You have no concept of science, and you haven't proved anything except your own ignorance.
Presumably you meant to say: "...you haven't *proven* anything.
You don't do grammar either.
You have shot your mouth off once again, and you are wrong again.
For complex historical reasons, prove developed two past participles: proved and proven. Both are correct and can be used more
or
less interchangeably: this hasn't been proved yet; this hasn't been proven yet. Proven is the more common form when used as an
adjective before the noun it modifies: a proven talent (not a proved talent). Otherwise, the choice between proved and proven is
not
a matter of correctness, but usually of sound and rhythm-and often, consequently, a matter of familiarity, as in the legal idiom
innocent until proven guilty.
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1608/what-is-the-difference-between-proven-and-proved
You have just proved that you are a proven arsehole.
You are looking pretty stupid after that pathetic remark that only showed up YOUR ignorance of the English language.
Interchangeable (according to your source):
You have just proved that you are a proved arsehole.

=> arsehole
Post by yaputya
Grammar or science, you shoot of your mouth but you really haven't got a clue.
--
Kevin Rudd:
"I don't care what you fuckers think!"

Anyone with any credibility would resign after this:
http://youtu.be/m_MCXRQE9Rk

"The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look
at the men he has around him" - Niccolo Machiavelli
http://youtu.be/PtEyAe1QqCg
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'I don't think we can keep seeing these sorts of human tragedies
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Julia Gillard:
"I'd like to also thank Kevin for agreeing to resign from parliament if
he loses, at last"
yaputya
2013-07-23 21:45:34 UTC
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Post by Apologies Lies & Pretence
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You have no concept of science, and you haven't proved anything except your own ignorance.
Presumably you meant to say: "...you haven't *proven* anything.
You don't do grammar either.
You have shot your mouth off once again, and you are wrong again.
For complex historical reasons, prove developed two past participles: proved and proven. Both are correct and can be used
more
or
less interchangeably: this hasn't been proved yet; this hasn't been proven yet. Proven is the more common form when used as an
adjective before the noun it modifies: a proven talent (not a proved talent). Otherwise, the choice between proved and proven
is
not
a matter of correctness, but usually of sound and rhythm-and often, consequently, a matter of familiarity, as in the legal
idiom
innocent until proven guilty.
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1608/what-is-the-difference-between-proven-and-proved
You have just proved that you are a proven arsehole.
You are looking pretty stupid after that pathetic remark that only showed up YOUR ignorance of the English language.
You obviously didn't think so, because you tried the cheap shot "You don't do grammar either."
So instead of looking smart you just made yourself look like a stupid arsehole. Again.

BTW Foster has failed to explain his claim: "According to Boyle's law, CO2 *is* weightless."
He did post the following, but it is devoid of any *proof* of *weightless*
The pressure exerted by a volume of an ideal gas at a given temperature is a constant. It depends *not* on the weight of the
molecules but on the *number* of molecules and their energy(T).
Since all of the components of a volume of air will be at the same temperature, they will exert the same pressure. In other words,
irrespective of the weight of the *molecules*, the weight of the gas will be the *same* since it is purely based on the pressure.
Moreover, the molecules will exert the same pressure at the top of a container of air that they do at the bottom, so any scale
will show zero.
This is not my 'position'. It is a simple description of the model which applies at standard temperature and pressure in the
atmosphere
Foster makes these erroneous claims about weighing gases.
1) The weight of a gas is always the same since it is based on the pressure.
2) The gas will weigh zero because the pressure is the same at the top and the bottom of the container.

Different gases DO weigh different amounts at the SAME pressure because their density is different.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gas-density-d_158.html

The weight of a container of gas IS the difference in pressure between the top and bottom areas, which is NOT zero!

"The difference between the average force on the bottom and top of the container is just the weight, mg, of the molecule.
This can be generalized to any number of molecules traveling in random directions."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/weighgas.html

"DISTRIBUTION OF GAS MOLECULES IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD"
"Everyone knows that the air pressure decreases with altitude. This effect is
easily understood qualitatively through the kinetic molecular theory. Random
thermal motion tends to move gas molecules in all directions equally. In the
presence of a gravitational field, however, motions in a downward direction are
slightly favored. This causes the concentration, and thus the pressure of a gas to
be greater at lower elevations and to decrease without limit at higher elevations."
http://www.unalmed.edu.co/~cgpaucar/Gases.pdf

People did think gases were weightless in the past, before instruments were developed
to make scientific measurements.
Dechucka
2013-07-23 22:02:08 UTC
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You have no concept of science, and you haven't proved anything
except your own ignorance.
Presumably you meant to say: "...you haven't *proven* anything.
You don't do grammar either.
You have shot your mouth off once again, and you are wrong again.
For complex historical reasons, prove developed two past
participles: proved and proven. Both are correct and can be used more
or
less interchangeably: this hasn't been proved yet; this hasn't been
proven yet. Proven is the more common form when used as an
adjective before the noun it modifies: a proven talent (not a proved
talent). Otherwise, the choice between proved and proven is
not
a matter of correctness, but usually of sound and rhythm-and often,
consequently, a matter of familiarity, as in the legal idiom
innocent until proven guilty.
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1608/what-is-the-difference-between-proven-and-proved
You have just proved that you are a proven arsehole.
You are looking pretty stupid after that pathetic remark that only
showed up YOUR ignorance of the English language.
You obviously didn't think so, because you tried the cheap shot "You
don't do grammar either."
So instead of looking smart you just made yourself look like a stupid arsehole. Again.
BTW Foster has failed to explain his claim: "According to Boyle's law, CO2
*is* weightless."
He did post the following, but it is devoid of any *proof* of *weightless*
Most of the components of air (N, O2, CO2) but not H2O obey the Ideal Gas
The pressure exerted by a volume of an ideal gas at a given temperature
is a constant. It depends *not* on the weight of the molecules but on the
*number* of molecules and their energy(T).
Since all of the components of a volume of air will be at the same
temperature, they will exert the same pressure. In other words,
irrespective of the weight of the *molecules*, the weight of the gas will
be the *same* since it is purely based on the pressure.
Moreover, the molecules will exert the same pressure at the top of a
container of air that they do at the bottom, so any scale will show zero.
This is not my 'position'. It is a simple description of the model which
applies at standard temperature and pressure in the atmosphere
Foster makes these erroneous claims about weighing gases.
1) The weight of a gas is always the same since it is based on the pressure.
2) The gas will weigh zero because the pressure is the same at the top and
the bottom of the container.
Different gases DO weigh different amounts at the SAME pressure because
their density is different.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gas-density-d_158.html
The weight of a container of gas IS the difference in pressure between the
top and bottom areas, which is NOT zero!
"The difference between the average force on the bottom and top of the
container is just the weight, mg, of the molecule.
This can be generalized to any number of molecules traveling in random directions."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/weighgas.html
"DISTRIBUTION OF GAS MOLECULES IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD"
"Everyone knows that the air pressure decreases with altitude. This effect is
easily understood qualitatively through the kinetic molecular theory. Random
thermal motion tends to move gas molecules in all directions equally. In the
presence of a gravitational field, however, motions in a downward direction are
slightly favored. This causes the concentration, and thus the pressure of a gas to
be greater at lower elevations and to decrease without limit at higher elevations."
http://www.unalmed.edu.co/~cgpaucar/Gases.pdf
People did think gases were weightless in the past, before instruments were developed
to make scientific measurements.
stop giving facts as this will only confuse Foster and put him in denial
mode. AFAIK even Abbott has backed away from his stupidity and has now gone
onto trading in invisible things can't be done
Apologies Lies & Pretence
2013-07-23 22:47:33 UTC
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Post by yaputya
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Post by yaputya
Post by Apologies Lies & Pretence
You have no concept of science, and you haven't proved anything except your own ignorance.
Presumably you meant to say: "...you haven't *proven* anything.
You don't do grammar either.
You have shot your mouth off once again, and you are wrong again.
For complex historical reasons, prove developed two past participles: proved and proven. Both are correct and can be used
more
or
less interchangeably: this hasn't been proved yet; this hasn't been proven yet. Proven is the more common form when used as an
adjective before the noun it modifies: a proven talent (not a proved talent). Otherwise, the choice between proved and proven
is
not
a matter of correctness, but usually of sound and rhythm-and often, consequently, a matter of familiarity, as in the legal
idiom
innocent until proven guilty.
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1608/what-is-the-difference-between-proven-and-proved
You have just proved that you are a proven arsehole.
You are looking pretty stupid after that pathetic remark that only showed up YOUR ignorance of the English language.
You obviously didn't think so, because you tried the cheap shot "You don't do grammar either."
So instead of looking smart you just made yourself look like a stupid arsehole. Again.
BTW Foster has failed to explain his claim: "According to Boyle's law, CO2 *is* weightless."
He did post the following, but it is devoid of any *proof* of *weightless*
The pressure exerted by a volume of an ideal gas at a given temperature is a constant. It depends *not* on the weight of the
molecules but on the *number* of molecules and their energy(T).
Since all of the components of a volume of air will be at the same temperature, they will exert the same pressure. In other words,
irrespective of the weight of the *molecules*, the weight of the gas will be the *same* since it is purely based on the pressure.
Moreover, the molecules will exert the same pressure at the top of a container of air that they do at the bottom, so any scale
will show zero.
This is not my 'position'. It is a simple description of the model which applies at standard temperature and pressure in the
atmosphere
All correct. Gee, you don't do logic, arithmetic, comprehension or
grammar but you can transcribe (cut and paste).
Post by yaputya
Foster makes these erroneous claims about weighing gases.
1) The weight of a gas is always the same since it is based on the pressure.
*In* the atmosphere.
Post by yaputya
2) The gas will weigh zero because the pressure is the same at the top and the bottom of the container.
Different gases DO weigh different amounts at the SAME pressure because their density is different.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gas-density-d_158.html
Molecular weight is completely irrelevant, moron, since we are using the
ideal gas model.
Post by yaputya
The weight of a container of gas IS the difference in pressure between the top and bottom areas, which is NOT zero!
Where is the 'container' in the atmosphere, moron?
Post by yaputya
"The difference between the average force on the bottom and top of the container is just the weight, mg, of the molecule.
This can be generalized to any number of molecules traveling in random directions."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/weighgas.html
No gas behaves *perfectly* like an ideal gas. There are infinistesmally
small *non* *ideal* effects but clearly you do not understand the
concept of a model, nor do you understand that the model is applicable
evidenced by the fact that CO2 exists in the stratosphere. Just imagine
if it didn't - morons like you wouldn't have a case for branding CO2 as
a 'pollutant' and a 'greenhouse gas'.
Post by yaputya
"DISTRIBUTION OF GAS MOLECULES IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD"
"Everyone knows that the air pressure decreases with altitude. This effect is
easily understood qualitatively through the kinetic molecular theory. Random
thermal motion tends to move gas molecules in all directions equally. In the
presence of a gravitational field, however, motions in a downward direction are
slightly favored. This causes the concentration, and thus the pressure of a gas to
be greater at lower elevations and to decrease without limit at higher elevations."
http://www.unalmed.edu.co/~cgpaucar/Gases.pdf
People did think gases were weightless in the past, before instruments were developed
to make scientific measurements.
Right at the start, I told you to get a scale and *measure* the weight.
If you had followed instructions then you wouldn't have made such an
arsehole of yourself.
--
Kevin Rudd:
"I don't care what you fuckers think!"

Anyone with any credibility would resign after this:
http://youtu.be/m_MCXRQE9Rk

"The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look
at the men he has around him" - Niccolo Machiavelli
http://youtu.be/PtEyAe1QqCg
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2010/08/25/1225910/116244-katter-swan.jpg
http://polliter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Anthony-Albanese.jpg


Fortunately, there is a solution:
http://www.aroyalflushdraincleaning.com/

ALP policies:
http://www.headlesschooks.org.au
http://www.latestbuy.com.au/img/product-images/beer-350a.jpg

Where the ALP goes to study:
http://www.unimoron.edu.ar

Kevin Rudd...
"First of all, in Australia we are a nation of laws..."

ALP Productivity...
http://youtu.be/lePrBUHihKI

******* MUST WATCH VIDEOS *******
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Dechucka
2013-07-24 01:21:43 UTC
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You have no concept of science, and you haven't proved anything
except your own ignorance.
Presumably you meant to say: "...you haven't *proven* anything.
You don't do grammar either.
You have shot your mouth off once again, and you are wrong again.
For complex historical reasons, prove developed two past
participles: proved and proven. Both are correct and can be used
more
or
less interchangeably: this hasn't been proved yet; this hasn't been
proven yet. Proven is the more common form when used as an
adjective before the noun it modifies: a proven talent (not a proved
talent). Otherwise, the choice between proved and proven
is
not
a matter of correctness, but usually of sound and rhythm-and often,
consequently, a matter of familiarity, as in the legal
idiom
innocent until proven guilty.
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1608/what-is-the-difference-between-proven-and-proved
You have just proved that you are a proven arsehole.
You are looking pretty stupid after that pathetic remark that only
showed up YOUR ignorance of the English language.
You obviously didn't think so, because you tried the cheap shot "You
don't do grammar either."
So instead of looking smart you just made yourself look like a stupid arsehole. Again.
BTW Foster has failed to explain his claim: "According to Boyle's law,
CO2 *is* weightless."
He did post the following, but it is devoid of any *proof* of
*weightless*
Most of the components of air (N, O2, CO2) but not H2O obey the Ideal
The pressure exerted by a volume of an ideal gas at a given temperature
is a constant. It depends *not* on the weight of the
molecules but on the *number* of molecules and their energy(T).
Since all of the components of a volume of air will be at the same
temperature, they will exert the same pressure. In other words,
irrespective of the weight of the *molecules*, the weight of the gas
will be the *same* since it is purely based on the pressure.
Moreover, the molecules will exert the same pressure at the top of a
container of air that they do at the bottom, so any scale
will show zero.
This is not my 'position'. It is a simple description of the model which
applies at standard temperature and pressure in the
atmosphere
All correct. Gee, you don't do logic, arithmetic, comprehension or grammar
but you can transcribe (cut and paste).
Post by yaputya
Foster makes these erroneous claims about weighing gases.
1) The weight of a gas is always the same since it is based on the pressure.
*In* the atmosphere.
wrong
Post by yaputya
2) The gas will weigh zero because the pressure is the same at the top
and the bottom of the container.
Different gases DO weigh different amounts at the SAME pressure because
their density is different.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gas-density-d_158.html
Molecular weight is completely irrelevant, moron, since we are using the
ideal gas model.
no it isn't as anything with mass in a gravitational feild has weight

How does PV=nRT support your case
Post by yaputya
The weight of a container of gas IS the difference in pressure between
the top and bottom areas, which is NOT zero!
Where is the 'container' in the atmosphere, moron?
The atmosphere is obviously a container with the gravitational field acting
on the mass of the gases, if it wasn't we'd all suffocate
Post by yaputya
"The difference between the average force on the bottom and top of the
container is just the weight, mg, of the molecule.
This can be generalized to any number of molecules traveling in random directions."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/weighgas.html
No gas behaves *perfectly* like an ideal gas. There are infinistesmally
small *non* *ideal* effects but clearly you do not understand the concept
of a model, nor do you understand that the model is applicable evidenced
by the fact that CO2 exists in the stratosphere.
So
Just imagine if it didn't - morons like you wouldn't have a case for
branding CO2 as a 'pollutant' and a 'greenhouse gas'.
It is
Post by yaputya
"DISTRIBUTION OF GAS MOLECULES IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD"
"Everyone knows that the air pressure decreases with altitude. This effect is
easily understood qualitatively through the kinetic molecular theory. Random
thermal motion tends to move gas molecules in all directions equally. In the
presence of a gravitational field, however, motions in a downward direction are
slightly favored. This causes the concentration, and thus the pressure of a gas to
be greater at lower elevations and to decrease without limit at higher elevations."
http://www.unalmed.edu.co/~cgpaucar/Gases.pdf
People did think gases were weightless in the past, before instruments were developed
to make scientific measurements.
Right at the start, I told you to get a scale and *measure* the weight. If
you had followed instructions then you wouldn't have made such an arsehole
of yourself.
Easy get a 1kg block of dry ice and weigh it, when it sublimates where does
the weight go?

you are a moron
yaputya
2013-07-24 23:11:11 UTC
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BTW Foster has failed to explain his claim: "According to Boyle's law, CO2 *is* weightless."
He did post the following, but it is devoid of any *proof* of *weightless*
The pressure exerted by a volume of an ideal gas at a given temperature is a constant. It depends *not* on the weight of the
molecules but on the *number* of molecules and their energy(T).
Since all of the components of a volume of air will be at the same temperature, they will exert the same pressure. In other
words,
irrespective of the weight of the *molecules*, the weight of the gas will be the *same* since it is purely based on the
pressure.
Moreover, the molecules will exert the same pressure at the top of a container of air that they do at the bottom, so any scale
will show zero.
This is not my 'position'. It is a simple description of the model which applies at standard temperature and pressure in the
atmosphere
All correct. Gee, you don't do logic, arithmetic, comprehension or grammar but you can transcribe (cut and paste).
Post by yaputya
Foster makes these erroneous claims about weighing gases.
1) The weight of a gas is always the same since it is based on the pressure.
*In* the atmosphere.
Reading comprehension problem???? You wrote "the molecules will exert the same pressure at the top
of a *CONTAINER* of air that they do at the bottom, so any scale will show zero." YOU SAID
CONTAINER, fuckwit!!!!
Anyway, imagine a volume of air of one cubic meter in the atmosphere. Now, enclose that volume in a
container. Do any of the properties of the gas change simply by enclosing it?

Anyway, Abbott didn't say "In the atmosphere", you dreamt that up all by yourself when you started
struggling.
Post by yaputya
2) The gas will weigh zero because the pressure is the same at the top and the bottom of the container.
Different gases DO weigh different amounts at the SAME pressure because their density is different.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gas-density-d_158.html
Molecular weight is completely irrelevant, moron, since we are using the ideal gas model.
You are completely wrong!! You wrote "The gas will weigh zero because the pressure is the same at
the top and the bottom of the container." Now stop trying to squirm out of it, you are WRONG to say
the pressure is the same top and bottom and you are WRONG to say it will weigh zero!!!

You really don't know much about the gas laws at all. The molecular weight IS NOT IRRELEVANT,
dumbarse. You need the molecular weight to calculate the density!!!!!!
http://chemistry.about.com/od/gaslawproblems/a/Density-Of-An-Ideal-Gas.htm
"The ideal gas law can be manipulated to find the density of a gas if the molecular mass is known."

You have only the basic PV=nRT equation of state law stuck in your head and have no comprehension of
the further implications, especially when applied to the atmosphere.
Post by yaputya
The weight of a container of gas IS the difference in pressure between the top and bottom areas, which is NOT zero!
Where is the 'container' in the atmosphere, moron?
You said container, stupid twit. Your exact words: "the molecules will exert the same pressure at the top
of a *CONTAINER* of air that they do at the bottom, so any scale will show zero."
Anyway, the pressure varies with height in a container as well as in the atmosphere BECAUSE of gravity.
Post by yaputya
"The difference between the average force on the bottom and top of the container is just the weight, mg, of the molecule.
This can be generalized to any number of molecules traveling in random directions."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/weighgas.html
No gas behaves *perfectly* like an ideal gas. There are infinistesmally small *non* *ideal* effects but clearly you do not
understand the concept of a model, nor do you understand that the model is applicable evidenced by the fact that CO2 exists in the
stratosphere. Just imagine if it didn't - morons like you wouldn't have a case for branding CO2 as a 'pollutant' and a 'greenhouse
gas'.
You really are a joke!!!! Your problem is that you don't understand that the basic
gas laws YOU have been quoting DO NOT INCLUDE GRAVITY. But you are too
stupid to realise that.
Here is a quick explanation of how the ideal gas law is included in a model of the
atmosphere:
http://brad.denby.me/starblog/modeling-the-atmosphere-pt-1/

You cannot ignore gravity when looking at the atmosphere! The pressure
in the atmosphere decreases as the altitude increases because a given layer of air has
to support the *weight* of all the air above it - the greater the altitude , the less the
weight of air above that layer, and the lower the pressure.

CO2, which not an ideal gas anyway, mixes in air the same way nitrogen, oxygen
and argon do - by diffusion, convection and winds.
Here is a direct quote from 'Physics for Scientists and Engineers, Raymond A. Serway;
"Because our atmosphere contains different gases, each with a different molecular mass,
one finds a higher concentration of heavier molecules at the lower altitudes, while the
lighter molecules are more concentrated at the higher altitudes."

Anyway, if CO2 and the other gases are weightless, why hasn't the atmosphere
leaked off into space already? What holds the gases together to form the atmosphere?
Post by yaputya
"DISTRIBUTION OF GAS MOLECULES IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD"
"Everyone knows that the air pressure decreases with altitude. This effect is
easily understood qualitatively through the kinetic molecular theory. Random
thermal motion tends to move gas molecules in all directions equally. In the
presence of a gravitational field, however, motions in a downward direction are
slightly favored. This causes the concentration, and thus the pressure of a gas to
be greater at lower elevations and to decrease without limit at higher elevations."
http://www.unalmed.edu.co/~cgpaucar/Gases.pdf
People did think gases were weightless in the past, before instruments were developed
to make scientific measurements.
Right at the start, I told you to get a scale and *measure* the weight. If you had followed instructions then you wouldn't have
made such an arsehole of yourself.
You have a bad memory, no comprehension or both because I have already
given a link to such an experiment. I don't need to repeat experiments that have already
been confirmed by thousands of people. But maybe YOU should try the following experiment
yourself, sincecyou and Abbott are the ONLY ones in the entire world who think a gas is
weightless in a gravitationalcfield.
http://littleshop.physics.colostate.edu/tenthings/DoesAirWeighAnything.pdf
"This exercise is quick proof of the fact that air has mass. When you use the pump cap, more
air molecules are pumped into the bottle. this increases the pressure, but it also increases the
mass. You can easily increase the the mass of the bottle by a few grams - a measurable amount!"

Here's another variant:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/weighgas.html
"Can you weigh the gas in a closed container? The answer from Newton's laws is yes!
If you weigh an "empty" compressed gas cylinder and fill it with high pressure gas,
it will then weigh more on an ordinary scale since you are weighing the gas in the cylinder."
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