<Unsnip , lets see the truth that Bukakke runds from>
Post by Budikka666Post by fasgnadhAtheists often make a great deal of the Medieval Church's persecution of
Galileo, as if it was typical of the relationship between religion
and science, but Galileo was not the first proponent of a heliocentric
model of our solar system, before him came Copernicus, who proposed that
the Sun, not the Earth, was at the centre of our solar system, and
Kepler, who used Brahe's brilliant astronomical observations to develop
the theory of planetary motion.
Copernicus was an Augustinian canon, specialising in canon law,
Tycho was a Lutheran, part of the revolution in human thinking
that followed the Reformation, and Kepler's discovery was rooted in
his belief that "God had created the world according to an intelligible
plan that is accessible through the natural light of reason."
Clearly, Kepler's worldview, stated clearly here, shows that his belief
in a universe which was created to be intelligible to human reason,
inspired him to discover it's meaning, while atheists didn't.
Even by the time of Galileo, atheists, like all the other ignorant
peasants, were still flat-earthers, still believing in the outdated
geo centric universe, while theist scientists, more original and
profound thinkers, using data meticulously collected by the Lutheran,
Brahe, and funded by the Church, led the way for mankind.
Bukakke is upset because the truth refutes her nonsense that religion
is a "primitive superstition", the LIE that all the atheist tyrants
who imposed FORCED indoctrination of atheist dogma in EVERY
scientifically backwards atheist state, used to justify persecution of
theists, the destruction of Churches, Synagogues, Mosques and Temples!
While majority religious societies in Europe, The USA, Australia etc
were evolving advanced secular democracies, the atheist states were
regressing their nations back into primitive barbarism!
The Cultural Devolution:
That is the simple truth.. the religious have dragged humanity out
of the stone age into the modern era.. the atheists, in EVERY atheist
state in history, dragged them back into the stone age.. The USSR,
Maoist China, Pol Pots Cambodia.. every atheist state has been a
catastrophic FAILURE.
All the hard yards have been done by THEISTS, no civilisation has
ever been built by atheists, not even a decent democracy, all the
free, open, progressive, scientifically advanced, prosperous secular
democracies have all been built by majority religious societies.
And it is in those countries that the best science continues to be done!
It's all about FREEDOM TO THINK, SPEAK AND BELIEVE, something which
has been evolved IN NO ATHEIST STATE in history, only in majority
religious societies.
Post by Budikka666Post by fasgnadhThe Giants of Astronomy, were all theists, who overturned the
geocentric view of the ancients.
Epicurus and the other atheists of the time of Ptolemy all thought
that the earth was the centre of the universe, until the theist
scientists led them to a deeper understanding of cosmology.
Post by Budikka666Post by fasgnadhAt the time they published their
revolutionary Heliocentric understanding, atheists were still clinging
to the Geocentric myths of the Ptolemaic model.
The atheist states stultified science because they opposed freedom
of thought, speech and belief.
In the USSR, Maoist China and Pol Pot's genocidal tyranny, people were
executed just for being theists... for believing something atheists
didn't believe;
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense"
- Stalin
E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire atheist State apparatus;
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
- John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
Post by Budikka666Post by fasgnadhJust as when the Big Bang theory was developed by a modern cleric! B^]
When atheists pretend they have an inside track on reason and science,
when there is NO HISTORICAL CORRELATION with atheism (in fact every
atheist state in history has been an irrational tyranny) the theists
they call "primitives, clinging to superstitious nonsense" are these
geniuses, the giants of astronomy, who gave us our undestanding of
Nicolaus Copernicus
"Among the great polymaths of the Renaissance,
Copernicus was a mathematician, astronomer, physician,
quadrilingual polyglot, classical scholar, translator,
artist, Catholic cleric, jurist, governor, military leader,
diplomat and economist. Among his many responsibilities,
astronomy figured as little more than an avocation
—yet it was in that field that he made his mark upon the world."
Copernicus a Renaissance astronomer was the first person to formulate a
comprehensive heliocentric cosmology, which displaced the Earth from the
center of the universe.
Copernicus' epochal book, De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (On the
Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres), published just before his death
in 1543, is often regarded as the starting point of modern astronomy and
the defining epiphany that began the scientific revolution. ..
His work stimulated further scientific investigations, becoming a
landmark in the history of science that is often referred to as the
Copernican Revolution"
Tyge Ottesen Brahe
"Tycho, a Lutheran, is credited with the most accurate astronomical
observations of his time, and the data were used by his assistant,
Johannes Kepler, to derive the laws of planetary motion. No one before
Tycho had attempted to make so many planetary observations."
Johannes Kepler
"Kepler ..was a German mathematician, astronomer and astrologer, and key
figure in the 17th century scientific revolution. He is best known for
his eponymous laws of planetary motion, codified by later astronomers,
based on his works Astronomia nova, Harmonices Mundi, and Epitome of
Copernican Astronomy. These works also provided one of the foundations
for Isaac Newton's theory of universal gravitation."
"Kepler also incorporated religious arguments and reasoning into his
work, motivated by the religious conviction and belief that God had
created the world according to an intelligible plan that is accessible
through the natural light of reason."
This is a recurring theme throughout the history of science.
Theists, believing that a created universe had meaning, set out
to understand that meaning, and discovered it.
The atheist Flat Earthers at the time were, as usual, irrelevant to
science,still clinging to their Ptolemaic view of the sun, planets and
stars revolving in neat circles around the earth, much as the atheist
tyrants of the 20th century saw the world revolving around them, and the
feeble remnant of their failed tyrannies in alt.atheism see the universe
of ideas revolving around their (falsely) inflated ego's.
B^]
Of course science is an impermanent, ephemeral truth, it is
just man's CURRENT understanding of the world, and the Newtonian
Universe (another theist) has given away to a Quantum mechanical
one, .. but theists such as Le Maitre remain in the VANGUARD of original
thinkers;
"Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître was a Belgian priest,
astronomer and professor of physics at the Catholic University of
Louvain. He sometimes used the title Abbé or Monseigneur.
Lemaître proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin
of the Universe"
So when theists, and the Church are throughout history,
central to the scientific revolutions, why was Galileo
persecuted for saying what Copernicus and Kepler had
already published?
It was purely political, the Church, faced with challenges to it's
authority, acted to stifle what they foolishly took to be the
opposition. They forced the great man to retract... and he,
wise enough to separate the spiritual teachings from the organisational
bathwater, remained a believer.. and accepted silence.
Unlike the atheist regimes, which killed over 70,000,000 people
and have never apologised, the Church posthumously accepted they
were wrong, and apologised to Galileo.
That's how civilisations proceed .... B^]
with far less bloodshed than ANY atheist state in history! B^D
Oh, BTW, there is a lesson in there for the fundie Christian
Creationists..
"the Bible teaches us how to go to heaven,
not how the heavens go." - Galileo
But not a single one of them used theology to make their discoveries
and offer their theories
Don't be absurd, theology, the study of religion, is not even an
essential component of BELIEF! YOu don't have to study theology
to be a theist, you atheist simpleton!
Your strawman argument merely shows your ignorance and is irrelevant
to the topic. It is their BELIEFS, not the academic debates of
theologians, which made these theist scientists so successful, as Kepler
EXPLAINED and you, running from the facts, SNIPPED! 8^o
Kepler's discovery was rooted in his belief that "God had created
the world according to an intelligible plan that is accessible
through the natural light of reason."
Atheists, whose one idea is a feeble non belief in something clearly
couldn't inspire themselves into LOOKING for meaning in a universe
they believed HAD NONE.. so they sat on their arses whining impotently
and achieving bugger all.. just like Bukakke does today.
They BUILT NO UNIVERSITIES, NO SCHOOLS, NO HOSPITALS NO CHARITIES..
all the effort of civilisation building was left to the theists!
Post by Budikka666- every last one of them used science.
Of course they used science, you moron, they were among the FOUNDERS
OF MODERN SCIENCE, part of the great upheaval, first in religious
thought,then in society, science and politics that was the reformation.
They didn't use the Bible to do science, they didn't use green cheese
to do science.. but their WORLDVIEW.. that "God had created
the world according to an intelligible plan that is accessible
through the natural light of reason." was a revolutionary inspiration
which drove their work. Believing the universe has meaning, inspired
them to discover that meaning.
You and your atheist cronies run around BLAMING GOD for putting
geese in the sky in front of passenger jet engines.. those theist
scientists understood that the birds are autonomous beings and flew
there on their own. Moreover, being theists they would USE THAT
UNDERSTANDING, apply their god-given REASON and develop ways of
detecting impending birdstrike, and avoiding it.. you simply
blame God for 'allowing' it to happen, when viewed holistically
the birds natural environment is the sky, and if we want to go there
WE SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR AVOIDING CRASHES.
Why are you atheists so incapable of tking RESPONSIBILITY for your
actions and your lives.. you just want Big Sky Mummy to fix it when
you stupidly step off a cliff!!!!
Well it has taken you LONG ENOUGH! B^D
Is there a reason you are so fucking STUPID?
Not sure if that's something you ate or your grew..
but I'm pretty sure you will find some way to BLAME GOD for it!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA!
You are a sad loser, you snip all the facts and give us nothing
Post by Budikka666Atheism and theism had nothing whatsoever to do with any of their
actual work.
Kepler disagrees.
Einstein supports Kepler's view that religion is critical
to good science;
"Science without religion is lame,
religion without science is blind."
- Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion:
a Symposium", 1941
^^^^^
And their words and the words of all these THEIST
GIANTS OF SCIENCE, are worth a shitload more than the idle fancies
and unsupported DELUSIONS of a do-nothing, no-nothing mental midget and
scientific nobody like YOU:
The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we
are aware of it
- Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher
René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in
the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system
used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important
work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy
partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his ideas
with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.
I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world
- Louis Pasteur 1822-95
As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner
by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.
- Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727
The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how
an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is
a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to
which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.
- Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
"My view of the World" 1918
There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.
Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the
religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if
all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance
and harmony.
- Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics
"Where is Science Going" 1918
"Something unknown is doing we don't know what"
-Sir Arthur Eddington
Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can
soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not
possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the
wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
materialism.
- 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911
Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
beyond question." (2)
George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
status of the word." (3)
Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
instead of nothing." (6)
John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)
George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)
Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
state of scientific theory." (9)
Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
'supernatural') plan." (10)
Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)
Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)
Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
divine." (13)
Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
centuries." (14)
Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
God." (15)
Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
Physics Of Christianity.
Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
it."(17)
Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and
refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
teleological or design argument." (18)
Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)
Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
question but that a God will always be needed." (20)
Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)
Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
in the universe and in my own life." (22)
Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
corner of God's plan." (23)
Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)
Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
entirely unique." (25)
"The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
suspects." - Albert Einstein
"The statistical probability that organic structures and the most
precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be
generated by accident, is zero."- Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist)
Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry
I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28
"The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a
knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge,
and would be total chaos if any of the natural 'constants' were off
even slightly. You see," Davies adds, "even if you dismiss man as a
chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems
unreasonably suited to the existence of life -- almost contrived --
you might say a 'put-up job'."- Dr. Paul Davies
(noted author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide
University)
Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this
ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;
Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based
on experimentation and inductive reasoning.
Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world view.
William Turner the "father of English botany"
John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms,
Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.
Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic solids
was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most famous
scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion, was
based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's meticulous
astronomical observations,
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct experience or
necessary demonstrations.
- Galileo Galilei 1615.
..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,
however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion
is lame, religion without science is blind.
- Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven
- Galileo Galilei 1564-1642
Blaise Pascal well-known for Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem
(math), and Pascal's Wager (theology).
Nicolas Steno a pioneer in both anatomy and geology
Robert Boyle Scientist and theologian who argued that the study of
science could improve glorification of God.
John Wallis As a mathematician he wrote Arithmetica Infinitorumis,
introduced the term Continued fraction, worked on cryptography, helped
develop calculus, and is further known for the Wallis product.
Gottfried Leibniz A polymath who worked on determinants, a calculating
machine
Isaac Newton (He is regarded as one of the greatest scientists and
mathematicians in history.
Thomas Bayes Bayes' theorem. Fellow of the Royal Society
Firmin Abauzit A physicist and theologian.
Carolus Linnaeus father of modern taxonomy, contributions to ecology.
Leonhard Euler mathematician and physicist,
Maria Gaetana Agnesi mathematician
Isaac Milner Lucasian Professor of Mathematics
Michael Faraday
Charles Babbage
Gregor Mendel "father of modern genetics"
Asa Gray - Gray's Manual remains a pivotal work in botany.
Louis Pasteur Inventor of the pasteurization method, a french chemist
and microbiologist. He also solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax,
chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the
development of the first vaccines.
Lord Kelvin Thermodynamics. winner of the Copley Medal and the Royal Medal,
Pierre Duhem Thermodynamic potentials
Dmitri Egorov mathematician - differential geometry
John Ambrose Flemingthe Right-hand rule and work on vacuum tubes,
Fleming valve. the Hughes Medal.
Max Planck founder of Quantum mechanics (1918 Nobel Prize in Physics
Edward Arthur Milne astrophysicist and mathematician proposed the Milne
model and had a Moon crater named for him. Gold Medal of the Royal
Astronomical Society,
Arthur Compton Nobel Prize in Physics.
Georges Lemaître proposed the Big Bang theory. Roman Catholic priest
Sir Robert Boyd pioneer in British space science
von Weizsäcker nuclear physicist Bethe-Weizsäcker formula.
Charles Hard Townes 1964 Nobel Prize in Physics 1966 wrote The
Convergence of Science and Religion.
Freeman Dyson the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, and the Lewis
Thomas Prize.
John T. Houghtonco-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change gold medal from the Royal Astronomical Society.
Micha? Heller mathematical physicist relativistic physics and
Noncommutative geometry.
Eric PriestSolar Magnetohydrodynamics , won the George Ellery Hale Prize
Francis Collins director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute.
John D. Barrow English cosmologist implications of the Anthropic principle.
Denis Alexander Director of the Faraday Institute and author of
Rebuilding the Matrix - Science and Faith in the 21st Century.
Christopher IshamTheoretical physicist who developed HPO formalism.
Martin NowakEvolutionary biologist and mathematician best known for
evolutionary dynamics.
And that's just a partial list of Western scientists who were believers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
You are making progress!
Same reason as before as to why you are so stupid and slow to catch on?
Can you have them removed?
Post by Budikka666Copernicus was a Catholic, Brahe a Lutheran, Kepler a Calvinist, near
enough. In short, every one of them was at odds about the kind of god
in which to believe and how to practice that belief.
No, they agreed about the 'kind of God' you ignoramus, as far as anyone
can.. what they disagreed about was the kind of CHURCH was best to
worship in.
It's like all loving Football, but belonging to different teams.
They share the essential rules of the game, but wear different uniforms.
The atheists only role is to bring out the oranges for the PLAYERS
at half time!
then we must be done! B^]
Not my problem.. you best go see a doctor about treatment for them.
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